that put us in a war with iraq they didn't pay for. i wouldn't trust paul ryan and mitt romney to run our economy any more than i trust george bush or dick cheney. i think obama has done a hell of a good job trying to get us out of this. we were facing the worst recession since the great depression. yes, we spent money bailing out the banks, yet, yes spent money bailing out general motors and chrysl chrysler. and those people have jobs today. they wouldn't have had jobs under a republican administration. we had enough with romney's trickle down economics. it never trickles down. i don't want to blame people for wanting to be rich. but in order to do that, he's going to raise taxes $2,000 on the average middle class family in this country. i don't think we want to go there. >> archer davis, at what point does barack obama and his strong supporters quick blaming bush for everything and begin taking responsibility for their own administration? >> probably january 2013. or november 2012. as for dean who started out as a pragmatic governor